Chasing Optimization- How to work towards your goals everyday.(#32)

Andrew: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show. This has got to be kindof weird for you. We, and by we, I mean, it's just Daniel nigh with nointerview this episode. So if that's what you've been waiting for, welcome.Back to the original program scheduled podcast. If you've been loving theinterviews and you hate just Daniel and I talking, sorry, go ahead and skipthis one.

today we're going to be talking about chasing optimization.It is actually a chapter out of the book released and one of my favorite partsof the book just, I love the concept of it. So without further ado, Daniellet's hop into chasing optimization. How you doing what's going on? And whatare your thoughts?

Daniel: [00:00:57]I'm doing good Today has been a good day. Minus just dying in a, in a videogame. But I mean, Hey, it's, it's a video game and well, we'll get past it.

Andrew: [00:01:10]live and learn.

Daniel: [00:01:12]I'm realizing now that instead of playing games, I probably should have beenchasing optimization and like doing Duolingo for Spanish or something likethat, but that's okay. I didn't have the information from this podcast yet toguide me.

Andrew: [00:01:25]And dude, let's talk about that real quick. There is everything we talk abouton the podcast, everything in the book, we're not saying that you have to beperfect because that's why diets fail. Well, that's why workout programs fail.A lot of people think, well, I didn't do the thing I was supposed to today.

I didn't,  practice mySpanish for 15 minutes. I didn't, you know, I went and played video games or Ihad a cheat meal that's okay. But like, it's, that's called living and it's,you know, you're giving it best effort. You don't have to be perfect or nothinglike, no, one's perfect. So it's okay. We're going to have our days where youwant to play video games, you might even have a majority of your days where youwon't play video games.

As long as you're trying. That's what really counts.

Daniel: [00:02:03] Yeah, definitely. And so togo into the concept of chasing optimization and what we kind of want to covertoday. So whenever it comes to just an average day, we all have. A lot moretime than I think we realize. And. That time exists in sort of these smalllittle moments that we kind of tend to fill with things like social media, justkind of scrolling thing through things on our phone and what we want to do.

And what we want to talk about is just trying to reclaim alittle bit of that. Maybe bringing some awareness just to how much time getseaten up and gunked up in between. A normal hour and some, some tips on again,how to make a better use of that. So when you think about just your day to day,Andrew, I'm curious, where do you feel like you see some of your biggestinefficiencies?

Where, where do you feel like you are just wasting largeamounts of time?

 Andrew: [00:03:03] there's two, I've got apersonal and a work one, basically. It's funny because I was actually thinkingabout this a lot before we decide we were doing this episode.  at work I'm losing weirdly large amounts oftime. Like it, and by at work, I mean, in my work day, I might not be at theoffice or whatever it is.

I might be working on a thing, but when I'm trying to workon. Stuff that makes me money. What happens a lot of the time is I'll do alittle bit of something I'll get, let's say 10 minutes or five minutes or ofeffort put in and I'm like, yay. I did something good. All right. Now I need tomake sure that nobody needs me.

And so I'll go check my email. I will check my textmessages. I will go check social media and I'll, you know, I'll try and find adistraction. Like I will try and find something to pull me away from doing thatwork. And we've talked about this on deep work, so we won't go down that path,but that's where a lot of my inefficiencies come from is not only am I notdoing deep work necessarily, but I'm also looking for excuses not to actuallyfollow through.

And so maybe I need that break or maybe I want to have that,gap time between my deep work and the next deep work project or the nextmeeting or whatever it is. I'm not filling it with anything productive. I'mfilling it with the attempt to find something else to do. And then if it's notthere, I'm texting people.

Hey, what's going on? Like, is there anything I can do foryou? I'm looking for diversion. So at work that's one of the problems I haveis. Every, let's say 10, 15 minutes. I'm trying to find a new diversion and Iwant to try and find something else to work on because I want I'm a little addbrain wants to do something new.

And then personally,I waste a lot of time in the evening lately. I used to be really good aboutthis, but I don't know what it is you and generally after dinner, I'm just. Iam slow to get anything productive done. And I'm managing basically to findexcuses, to do things before dinner that seemed useful, you know, maybe anerrand or two or this kind of different stuff.

And I sit down for dinner. And then I'm done for the day andit's been a real struggle, especially lately for me to kick up into gear and belike, Hey, let's knock out 30 minutes of reading 45 minutes of writing orsomething. It's a, Hey, I should, I'm not sure I deserve to play some videogames.

I deserve to watch some Netflix for two and a half hours.little stuff like that has been problematic for me, inefficient. If we're goingto use the word you used.

Daniel: [00:05:24] As you were talking throughsome of that, I think about this brain health project I've been doing with UTDand essentially it's, it's a study that is very much focused on strategies,tactics, things like that, that you can do to build better habits that improveyour brain health. And I'm actually a part of the program where they're doingMRIs to kind of.

Substantiate that. And so if that sounds interesting to youat all, by the way, you can go to just Google brain health project it's UTDsproject and you can totally sign up to be part of it. But one of the modulesthat I did recently is all about strategic attention. It's trying to have abetter focus and kind of giving you some tools.

And so a couple of the, things that they talk through isone, this idea of the brain power of two. And it's saying there are two kind ofmajor tasks that we have throughout a day, and we've got rabbit tasks and wehave elephant tasks. And so gravitas, small little things, maybe thedistractions, things that can actually be important, but they don't require alot of brainpower or focus and then elephant tasks or sort of the biggerthings.

And when I think about tasks, I think those are two thingsthat tend to exist. But then I also think that there are two other ways we canspend our time besides chasing down sort of a rabbit task or an elephant task.We can also just. Basically chase down the equivalent of brain junk food,right? Like playing a video game, watching Netflix.

It's something where you're not giving your brain a truebreak. Like you're not letting your mind kind of wander and reset and rest.Because you're still engaging your mind, but you're not necessarily getting alot of stuff done. So that's another way we can use our time. And the finallythere, there are the true actual brain breaks that we need where we are lettingour brains rest.

We're not actively having a lot of information coming in, soit can be something like going for a walk or taking a shower. And so. I thinksome of the, the danger we kind of run into is we think that we're givingourselves a little bit of a break when we're watching video games or Netflix,but that's not a real break.

And in what you're saying after you do something big and youkind of look for that distraction, that might be okay, but you just gotta be alittle bit structured about actually checking off a few of those rabbits oractually taking a real brain break. Or being okay with saying, okay, now I'mgoing to seek some entertainment and I'm fine with it.

But like, don't confuse that with rest and recovery.

Andrew: [00:07:51]I like it, and I, I'm very excited actually about that program. Cause I'mhoping to get in a lot too. I just kind of haven't finished it out yet. So.Whenever you're talking about these breaks. And maybe I'm just being selfishhere and wanting to learn more. Are you talking about like, Hey, sit down andread a book where I sit down and be bored or sit down and be present or sitdown and be mindful.

Or like what kind of, what is the recommended space fillerthat she would use when you're saying like, Hey, I'm, I'm shifting from arabbit task to an elephant task or vice versa, or even shifting from. You know,work stuff to personal stuff. Do you take a like, Hey, take 10 minutes and justwork on breathing or take a five minute walk or like what's the recommendationor what is your what's been successful for you on that?

Daniel: [00:08:35]Yeah. So the recommendation is to do sort of what is successful for you. And soI'll, I'll share what that is, but also just give some examples. So for me, alot of times that break looks like going for a walk. With Jake, my dog and notputting in headphones to listen to a podcast or something like that.

And that's, that's the crucial difference. Again, nothingwrong with going for a walk and listening into a podcast or whatever it is.Obviously we hope you listen to podcasts, but if you're truly trying to giveyour brain a break, you need to limit the amount of information that it'sneeding to process.

So if you're going for a walk or if you're going for adrive, And you don't have something playing that allows your brain to sort ofwander to, to rest, to sort of reset. Taking a shower is another good example.We happen to have a seat in our shower, so I can just sit, take a little bit ofa longer shower.

Let my mind wander doing meditation, breathing mindfulness.Those are, those are all good examples of things you can do. And if you'relike, Oh, I don't really have the time to do that. All you need is fiveminutes. It just takes five minutes for your brain to reset. So if I go takeJake for a walk, we might just do a walk up and down the block.

It's not a huge commitment. Okay.

Andrew: [00:09:49]That's great. And I'm going to play off that a little bit and you know, that isthat's research backed. So these are things that scientists have said. Now I'mgoing to jump into the Andrew science, which is about as good as it comes inuh, terms of pseudoscience. But. Where this helps on the chasing optimization,I think, is in those spaces where you actually pause and find that space togive your brain a moment that is where you catch up and say, Hey.

I'm supposed to be doing this thing because throughout theday, whenever we're just jumping tasks to task and we're not controlling thenarrative, we are responding, reacting and looking for reaction from other people.You know, when I'm chasing people around the office and trying to findsomething to do, or I am.

You know, watching Netflix and interacting basically withthe TV, it's mostly one sided, but all of those things I'm doing, that's givingmy mind the idea that it's, engaged. I mean, it is engaged, but it's taking upthe space that I could use to say, Hey, you said you needed to write today.

You need to practice Spanish today. There's a volleyballtournament coming up and you need to go. Practice on your surf because that'ssomething you care about, you know, whatever it is, it could be silly stuffthat, you know, no one cares about like learning Klingon. It could be somethingimportant. Like, Hey, I have a project that I need to put 15 minutes a day into,or 20 minutes a day or an hour a day studying this material.

So in a month I am prepped for the test or this project orwhatever you're doing. We are able to push that, that mindset, that mindfulnessabout what we should be doing away. We don't have the space to think becausewe're chasing and engaging all of these things that don't necessarily matterbecause it's easier for us to go along with the flow of the day.

And that's where we lose all that time. And that's how wedon't optimize our time is by letting somebody else or something else controlthe narrative and not taking the space too. Be mindful of what we're doing withour time. We can't mindfully optimize that time. At least that's how I see it.

Daniel: [00:11:40]Yeah. And to go back to your example of struggling, to sort of get things donein the evening. I think a reason why we, we tend to do that as we're tired atthe end of the day, and it takes virtually no. Effort or brainpower to watchNetflix or to play a video game. But while you're doing that, you're, you'renot.

Recharging. You're not recovering, so it can't be, I'm goingto eat dinner. Then I'm going to watch an hour of Netflix and then I'm going tobe recharged and be able to go in and do some writing. Now, like you didn'tactually give your brain a chance to a break. And at the end of that hour,you're like, I'm still, still so tired still.

So we're now, you know, today's just not a good day for it.I'll do another hour of Netflix and it. It's not that the it's not that Netflixor gaming is going to drain you. It's just, it doesn't refill you. And so ifyou really want to, like you're saying, get back to these things that you'rereally hoping to accomplish.

You've got to make that conscious decision of, okay, I'mgoing to have dinner. I'm going to do just like a 15 minute yoga flow, or I'mgoing to go take my dog for a walk or I'm going to just hop in the shower andgive my brain the chance to recoup. And then we'll see where we're at. We'llwe'll see if we've got some energy or some brain power to right.

Andrew: [00:12:53]Yeah, no, that's good.  

 in the book, I havea story about how. Like trying to focus on optimizing my life. When I turnedthe switch and said, Hey, I want to optimize my time and how it affected me.And it was, you know, it was really impactful for me. So I'm not going torehash that because you know, I've got a hustle that book out there a littlebit that said there, wasn't a story about you, Daniel and.

How you've had moments of optimization and honestly, of thetwo of us, I think you are far better. Like you're the model for someone whoreally knows how to squeeze the most out of a day and really grow in leaps andbounds over what baby, maybe a year, and have these really kind of amazingresults by working on your time.

So let me put you on the spot and see if you have anypersonal life stories about that.

Daniel: [00:13:44]Well, I do appreciate that. And I will say when it comes to optimization, I'llkind of tell a little bit of a story, but also just share a little bit of anapproach. And so to me, one of the most important things to do is to start.Each day with a clear picture of what I want to accomplish within that day.

And so whenever I'm starting that out and I have that list,what I'm doing is I'm scheming for all the little bits of time and the littleways that I can start to get those kind of things done so that I get to the endof the day. And. I've been able to knock out what I'm hoping to getaccomplished. I get that sense of accomplishment.

And also then I don't really feel that nagging sensation ofI, I shouldn't really like go and hang out with friends or I shouldn't hop onto play this game, or I shouldn't watch this movie because I just, I didn'treally get what I wanted done done today. And so that's kind of a motivatingfactor.

And so. One thing that has been important for me is justmaintaining levels of fitness. And so a lot of times that kind of bit getsbaked into the, my day and my week through games of Frisbee or, or workouttimes that are planned with friends. And so it's not something that normally Ihave to put a ton of energy or effort into maintaining.

But early on in COVID when gyms are kind of closed andFrisbee wasn't really happening, I needed to be a lot more intentional about that.And so that's where you and I, and our friend Brett, we started doing thesekind of like pushup challenges and different sort of fitness challenges. And.What that did, was it pushed me to look for all the little moments where it'slike, okay, I got five minutes in between this call.

I can knock out 10 of my pushups. I need to get done for theday. And doing that helped me to maintain fitness at a time when. a lot ofpeople were falling back into a more sedentary type of, of lifestyle. And sothat's what I would say is, has been important is going, or I guess startingthe day where you you've got a plan, you know, when those little.

Bits of time come up, you know, something that you can bedoing as opposed to, well, I've got, you know, five minutes to kill, I guessI'll check Reddit or I guess I'll check Facebook. If you already have somethingin mind, you know, you want to do, then you can actually use those fiveminutes.

 Andrew: [00:16:14] That's perfect. And that'ssuch a great example too, because it really is. it's nothing. you know,obviously we're working out together. The best chess games I have ever made wasduring COVID when the gyms were shut down and we were doing the pushups. Andthen I shifted the pushups. When that challenge was over, I had a pair of 30fives, which is nothing.

And I was doing like 15 reps every hour and I do it for likeeight or nine hours. So I know put like 150. You know, dumbbell presses. Andafter all of these years, following my pecs were like, all right, let's go, boy,we'll give you an inch. So it worked. And one more point that you made that Ireally want to hammer on.

You're doing this before, you know, you wake up work startsat eight. You know, if you're doing life properly, you're actually, you know,kind of starting work at seven 50 because you need that extra 10 minutes was,is next to nothing. But it's huge to both your management and your directreports. And you know, that extra 10 minutes is a difference between likemediocre employee and stellar employee, basically like you could just.

Draw the line right there. So let's say you're, you're doingseven 50. If you are waking up and you're rolling into the office at that starttime, or you're rolling onto the clock at that start time, and you're stillDowning your first couple of drinks of coffee, and you're still rubbing thesleep out of your eyes.

You are doing things wrong. You, you can find 10 or 15minutes extra in the morning before you show up to the office or show up toyour job to sit down and look at the day. You, you should not be rolling in tothe office as part of your wake-up process. That is lazy.

Daniel: [00:17:44]Yup.

so I've got a followup question for you because this is something that. I tend to struggle with.And so do you see any dangers in trying to maximize every day, maximize everymoment?

Andrew: [00:18:04]Danger is a hard word for me, because danger to me is like, Hey, your life's onthe line. And, and no, I don't see necessarily anything truly dangerous to you.There are complications, you know, It might affect your relationships withcertain people especially a significant other, if you were like, Hey honey, noNetflix tonight.

I'm optimizing. If you aren't spending time with people youcare about and you're, trying to chase purely productivity, and you are doingthat at the sacrifice of relationships or, or your own mental health, then yes,there is there's problems there. Dangerous hard to label that as, but we canuse it as a catchall, I guess, that you can have a dangerous relationship withtrying to predict.

Do's too much, too fast and you're gonna burn out. There'sthere's always that factor. If you go too hard, too fast. A lot of the stuffwe've talked about, we're talking marathon mindsets. This is not a, I'm goingto learn Spanish in a month. It's I'm going to learn Spanish in two yearsbecause for 15 minutes a day for two years, I think that will get me there.

If you try and learn Spanish in three months or a year,even. You're just not going to get there. If you're going to try and write abook and five days you're in trouble. So there is a danger of pushing yourselftoo far, too fast, and that's going to cost you either the ability to continueor it's going to cost you relationships.

So there's going to be sacrifices that are not necessary. Ifyou look at it on a long-term approach that said that's about all I see interms of danger. Otherwise I think we could all really improve on it andthat's. It sucks in an exception, you know, like working out too much, there iscertainly dangerous with working out too much.

You can get rhabdomyolysis or whatever that word is. Rhabdois everybody calls it, and that's terrifying and horrible and verylife-threatening. But. I mean, you've, you're doing some crazy stuff before youget to that point. And I mean, it's really, really hard to get to the levelthat you're hitting rhabdo in the gym.

Now you might hurt yourself dropping a weight on your head,but that's, that is unrelated to you working out necessarily. I mean, if youweren't working out, it wouldn't, it wouldn't have happened. But if you'rebeing an idiot, like you're destined to hurt yourself. Anyways, if you do sillythings like.

Whatever that you shouldn't be doing at the gym anyways. Sothere's always inherent risk with anything we do actual danger. I think you'dhave to reach a certain level that requires a different kind of talk that thisis not inspiring. We're not going to inspire people to rhabdo levels ofproduction.

Daniel: [00:20:27]Yeah. And I feel like for me though, I, I actually recently had to kind ofcommit to during the week to give myself a little bit of, of a break at times,because I was starting each day where I wanted to have. Like two or threethings that I labeled or deemed as a major productive things that happened inthe day.

And I, and I was kind of doing that for weeks at a time. Anda lot of that centered around you know, we needed to do a kitchen remodel, soit was okay. I need to go to Lowe's and buy all this stuff. I need to cut allthese boards and I need to put in this paint, I need to do these types ofthings. And I reached a point where I just felt.

Hi strong all the time. It was, I don't know, just not agood feeling. And so I do, I personally think that there is a little bit of adanger in trying to squeeze in and maximize, you know, every day, every momentit would make it harder for me to kind of just be okay with sitting on thefloor and playing with my daughter and hanging out with my wife because in mymind I'd already be calculating.

Okay. Maybe I can do this for five minutes, but then I'veonly got three hours left tonight and I need to get XYZ done. And if I'm goingto have time to do that, and then still have time to stick with my normalroutine of reading at night and all this sort of stuff, then, you know, I'mwasting time right here because it's not furthering one of my goals.

I've written it. And so to speak.

Andrew: [00:21:54]I, I completely agree with that. And, and what I was trying to say, I guess, islike you are, Daniel is I think. Example of somebody who, who doesn't need tohear the, you need to optimize your time talk. You are on the side of like,Hey, it is okay to take breaks, to tone it back. Remember the marathon, not thesprint, you know, that kind of thing.

But if you're not the guy and this is to the audience, ifyou're not the guy at the Frisbee field, who's out running everybody. Andyou're not the guy that's outworking everybody at the gym. And if you're theguy or the girl who's. Rolling into the office, half asleep because you woke up15 minutes before your shift started or work started.

I'm saying you probably don't need to worry aboutoverexerting yourself on production, because this talk is for you, the peoplewho are on the other side of this that do need to be told to calm down, like,you know who you are, you know, we're talking to you on that front and you'rehearing all this.

You're like, I already got this down. I'm a machine threecups of coffee a day. You can't stop me. Yes, you need to, you need to be awarethat there are dangers associated with their sacrifices that will be made,including your mental health, your relationships. But for most people that isnot something that they have to worry about because, you know, as I was talkingto my dad today, and again, I guess I'm beating the dead and the workout horse,you know, Over and over again, but we were talking about people who rip musclesoff of their bones because they're going so hard.

I was like, you know, and my dad's like, Oh my gosh, you needto be careful, Andrew. Like, you don't want that to happen to you. I was like,dad, look, that's not going to happen to me. But the people that are at thatlevel, they've gone so far. So far ahead of me and they're doing so much morethan me. Like I don't have the time or the effort to get on the level where Ineed to worry about my muscles ripping off my bone.

That's just not me. That's not going to happen nowproductivity. Sure. But if somebody is rolling in at, you know, Two till orfive after, when their shift starts. Like, you're probably not just going toflip the switch and go into Daniel's level of optimizing every 30 minutes I'mnot on that level. I don't need to worry about that kind of burnout because. Ikind of know where I sit and I sit right in my mind kind of a sweet spot oflike, I am okay with being lazy and doing other stuff versus I will, if I havesomething I'm working on, I can go after it for the marathon for the most part.

And I fail at it more often than not. So I'm really notworried about burned out there.

Daniel: [00:24:01]Well, and I guess that's the point I'm trying to get at is I do think thatthere are people on completely, both sides of the spectrum and. My, my idea islike we, where we can, we want to have our cake and eat it too. So we want tobe able to, we want to be able to enjoy being a little bit more optimized,being a little bit more productive.

And I think there are small ways that we can do that. Butalso, you know, what, what are we actually like? Are we actually enjoying thefruits of some of that effort, right? If. If I'm spending all of this timetrying to develop my mind or develop my body or speak another language orwhatever it is. Can I actually enjoy the results of those things or do I haveto just check it off and move on to the next thing?

And th and I think that's what is important is yeah. Likeshow up to work a little bit early, put in a hard. Effort to that. Andhopefully what that means is you're going to get more satisfaction from yourjob. You're going to be recognized. That's gonna lead to having a position thatis something you enjoy a little bit more.

Cause you're making it your own. Maybe it's getting a littlebit more paid those types of things. And take some time to, to enjoy thatwithout then saying, okay, got this promotion. Next promotion, got this payraise next pay raise. And, and you're not ever really happy with the result ofyour optimization.

Andrew: [00:25:26]My man that is that's a hundred percent correct. And it's, it comes down tomindfulness. were not. Saying, chase the goals, right? It's you can't be justconstantly gold chasing or saying be mindful of your time. And that includesbeing mindful of the fruits of your labor being appreciate that you got whatyou want or got where you want it to be, because that is such a dangerousthing.

If you can't be satisfied. Getting that promotion. Andyou're like, cool. Now onto the next one. That's not worth living. And it's thesame, like, Hey, I did all this stuff in the day. And to be able to appreciatespending time with your girlfriend or your boyfriend or your husband or yourwife or your best friend or whoever it is, or your dog, like, appreciate.

And be mindful that this is, those are opportunities thatyou have created and you get to enjoy. They are not a await against you. Thisis purely, Hey, quit scrolling through Instagram for five hours a day, dosomething different with it, do something meaningful with those small pieces ofwasted time. And it's going to make you a better person.

Daniel: [00:26:29] And I'm glad you saidscrolling through Instagram because social media consumption is one of thosethings that I can pretty much for the most part, say like cut that out as muchas possible. I mean, yes, there are. Some benefits to it, but  just out of curiosity, I wanted to see whatthe daily social media usage is kind of, I looked worldwide just because, youknow, we've got a, we've got a worldwide audience here, so,

Andrew: [00:26:56]Millions baby.

Daniel: [00:26:57]millions.

And so the, the stat that I found was that 145 minutes a dayis the average. Amount of time that people are spending on social media. Likewe're not talking five minutes here and there, like that's over two hours everyday being spent

Andrew: [00:27:16]Two hours wasted.

Daniel: [00:27:18]Yes. Yes. Like maybe it's been 15 minutes, but like what could you do every daywith an extra two hours?

And yes, I understand that sometimes that is, you know,you've got it open while you're doing something else, but Hey, multitasking isactually super bad for you going back to the brain health study again. It'svery toxic for your brain, so that doesn't make it any better. You can't belike, Oh, well I'm just scrolling through Instagram while I'm like jogging on thetreadmill.

Like, no, sorry that, that doesn't all of a sudden make itokay to spend into drop that much amount of time into that.

Andrew: [00:27:55]That is becoming one of my trigger words. Now people keep. You know, trying todunk on me because I can't multitask. And I'm like, no, because I refuse to tryand multitask only means that I'm trying to be better at this. You can'tmultitask either. Oh yeah. I can. I'm great at no, you're not. No one is soyou're listening.

And you said, if you think you're good at multitaskingholler at us and we'll prove you wrong.

Daniel: [00:28:16]that's like saying I'm really good at smoking cigarettes.

Andrew: [00:28:19]Yes, yes.

Get

Daniel: [00:28:22]good at an activity, an activity that is going to destroy my body.

Andrew: [00:28:28]Yeah, you gone get gone.

Daniel: [00:28:31]All right. So we're ready to give you a challenge. W we've been asking a lot ofour guests to do it. It's time for us to give you our challenge. And if you'vebeen paying attention, I think this one's going to be obvious. So our challengeto you is any time you pick up your phone and you start to scroll, you knowwhat that means?

It may be in Instagram, Facebook, Reddit. Pinterest,whatever it is, the app where you just kind of keep scrolling instead, use yourphone to further one of your goals, and that's going to require you having somesort of goal for the day. I know for me personally, I would love to learnanother language. So an easy goal is to spend some time and do a lingo.

So if I pick up my phone and I started to scroll, I think,Oh, you know what? This is a perfect chance to do a lingo. So find somethingthat your phone can help you to optimize in as opposed to scrolling throughsocial media. And we'll see if we can get those numbers down a little bit.

Andrew: [00:29:24]That's a good goal. All right. I want to leave you guys with a quote to closethis one out, because this is one of my favorite quotes and I think it's veryapplicable. So this is from Ralph Waldo, Emerson.  and that's the purpose of life is not to behappy. It is to be useful, to be honorable, to be compassionate, to have it,make some difference that you have lived and lived well.

So think on that, make sure you are living well and that youhave lived well. Thank you guys for tuning in. supporting our podcast, and welook forward to connecting with you soon.

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