Vertical Finale and Make Dat Bread Challenge (#57)

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We finished our month of jumping, and the resulst are in. Daniel is a madman, and Andrew had noticeable improvement, though he'd still be labeled under the "guys who can't jump high" category.

This was a blast to go through, and definitely an interesting experiment. Hope you guys enjoyed!

Show Notes:


Taking $100 and seeing just how much we can turn it into. Technically, anything is on the table, but it looks like we'll be mostly doing some speculative and high risk investments to try to turn our money into a bigger pile.

To follow along with the Make Dat Bread Challenge, find our latest journal on Google Sheets as well!

Sports Betting Bovada (Option 1):


Daniel's platform of choice to try out sports betting. This also seems to be the reddit platform of choice.

Sports Betting Draftkings (Option 2):


This seems to be Google's sports btting option. May be worth trying out.

Trading/Platform Robinhood (Option 1)


Honestly, these guys are kind of the worst. BUT, they do have a really user friendly interface, and it's pretty easy to "unlock" options. And, it's what we'll both be using. Hop in if you'd like!

Trading/Platform Tastyworks (Option 2)


Highly recommended platform that Andrew may end up trying to play with. Supposed to be pretty good for options trading, and anything is better than supporting Robinhood.



Unsure if this will even be used, but if crypto is on the table, this will be the place to do it.

Candlestick Trading


Daniel's Dunking Skills

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See Daniel run. See Daniel Jump.

Andrew's Favorite Money Book

I Will Teach You to Be Rich

Vertical Challenge Results Journal

Challenge Three: Vertical Journal

Check out how the challenege ended up.

Make Dat Bread Challenge  Journal

Challenge Four: Make Dat Bread

You'll find Daniel and Andrew's journal and charts for how this challenge is going. Feel free to make a copy and do it with us, or just follow along and see if it's worth your time to try. It's REAL fancy.

Episode Transcript


[00:00:00] hi guys, and welcometo the dead by tomorrow podcast. My name is Daniel winter and my co-host isAndrew Monroe in each episode, Andrew and I will explore topics that you shouldthink about before you die. We encourage you to remember that some tomorrow willbe your last, so each day could be your final chance to really

[00:00:19] Andrew: hello, everybody. Welcome back to deadby tomorrow. I will not call you beautiful listeners to this time to, uh, youknow, avoid offending Daniel's sensibilities about ugly people, but, uh, we'reglad you're here. So. We are wrapping up our third challenge of the year, thevertical challenge. And we're going to be starting our new challenge thisepisode, which, uh, I don't know if we're going to come up with a cool name ornot, but basically it's going to revolve around Daniel.

[00:00:45] Andrew: Nice seeing who can convert, uh, Ithink a hundred bucks and to the most amount of money by trading bedding,options, crypto something we'll, uh, we'll figure it out. So Daniel. How didthe challenge go? You have anything to report. Are you able to dunk? Are you 12feet tall? What happened this month?

[00:01:09] Daniel: Here's the thing. We're nottechnically at the end of the challenge yet, which is pretty important. I'vegot two days left, which means I haven't yet gone out to do my dunkingattempts. So what if in the last episode we talked about, I would call thischallenge of success. If I could dunk a basketball, if I could get my verticalup to 36 inches.

[00:01:32] Daniel: And so right now I'm at 35, 35 and ahalf, so I'm pretty dang close. And so I'm hoping with, um, I'm going to usethe next couple of days of the challenge that are remaining to actually rest upand try to see if I can get up to that 36 and then I'm going to go find acourt. I'm going to bring a tennis ball, bring maybe like a Dodge ball or bringa volleyball and bring a basketball and just kind of work my way up.

[00:02:00] Daniel: see where I'm at. So the hope is thatby the time we release this episode and send out kind of our newsletter, thatI'll be able to throw in a video link of the successful Duncan at the veryleast, like, I know I'm going to be able to dunk something. So if it's not abasketball, I'll be disappointed, but we'll at least get some live action inthere.

[00:02:21] Daniel: So, um, that's, that's kind of whereI'm hoping the challenge we'll finish. I think last time around you also askedif there was anything on the back half of the challenge I was going to dodifferently. And I sort of said, no, I'm just going to stick with my program,which I am sticking with my program, but then I lied.

[00:02:38] Daniel: I actually decided to do it. I decidedto do a little bit more research and see, is there anything I can do to kind ofget that extra edge? And so I listened to. A podcast. And, I'm going to have tolook up the name, but it's, it's from a guy who does vertical jump training and[00:03:00] he's a volleyball coach.

[00:03:01] Daniel: And so his, like, he has a big thing aboutvertical training. He actually has like a big, program, um, that he takespeople through. And so I listened to his episode on vertical jump training and.The main takeaway that I have from it, cause I didn't want to pay for hisentire, his entire program. but he talked about this idea of speed being areally important aspect of vertical jump training.

[00:03:33] Daniel: And um, one exercise that he haspeople do is he has them kind of go out and run like a 50 yard sprint. And atthe end of that sprint, when you were kind of at your top speed, Try to jumpand try to maintain as much speed as you possibly can. And if you, if youhaven't done any training before, even if you have like getting a full jump,not losing any speed after the 50 yards, Brent, that's pretty, prettychallenging to do.

[00:04:04] Daniel: But what it does is it helps to sortof train your body to get more used to jumping while at a high speed. And then.When you kind of go back and you're trying to do your training, and again, he'sa volleyball guy, so you don't get to do a 50 yard, a run up

[00:04:21] Andrew: I'll be a big volleyball court.

[00:04:23] Daniel: to go into your spike. you get, youknow, three, four or five steps.

[00:04:27] Daniel: And so, what to do after kind of doingthat training is then you scale it back to that 3, 4, 5 steps, and you'retrying to gain as much speed as you possibly can within those steps. And thentranslate that into a jump. You're trying to increase what he calls yourmaximum control velocity, so that the fastest speed you can be going where youjump under control and get that height.

[00:04:51] Daniel: So gone out and done a couple ofthose. I'll actually do a few more of those sprints and jumping at the endtoday, just to try to get ready to see where I'm at.

[00:05:02] Andrew: That's awesome. I, oh, I can't believehe tricked me like that. Um, but it is, I can see the correlation there. Thatwas nothing. I came across in my research, which should be telling that you cango Google search, how to increase your vertical, do the whole thing. And wehave so much information at our fingertips and yet, you know, I don't know howmuch time he actually spent jumping around looking for this podcast.

[00:05:31] Andrew: But I had not heard about increasingvelocity like that in your terms of running to increase it, it was all abouthamstrings and stuff. So you can really go down the wrong rabbit hole if you'rebiasing your searches towards what you think it should be. And if we aren'topen-minded on it, um, because that's totally what happened to me.

[00:05:48] Andrew: I think I probably passed overanything that was related to what you're talking about. So, oops.

[00:05:56] Daniel: Yeah, I hadn't heard that before either.So that's where I was like, it's, it's something [00:06:00]different than what I've done. Let me try. And see.

[00:06:05] Andrew: I had, uh, I've really enjoyed thisone. Um, I have to admit, I did not. I feel like I pushed myself as hard as Ishould have. I didn't, I didn't hit all of the marks that I was planning onhitting to see if I could really improve this challenge, which is kind of thepoint of this is, you know, we're looking at how much can you pack into 30 daysif you really take a 30 day focus and really work at a single thing, what willit do for you?

[00:06:33] Andrew: You know, I have this philosophy thatif you really, really drill down, you can get pretty far in a really shortperiod of time. And so that's kind of, kind of what we've been doing, thischallenge stuff. And. Honestly, I sucked at this challenge. My diet was kindatrash on and off. Like I was, I was trying to do like the whole meat thing andno alcohol, which I did good on the no alcohol, but on the meat eating only, I,I broke down every couple of days and had bread or something fried or whatever.

[00:07:01] Andrew: So it kind of sucked there. Um, Idon't know. Uh,

[00:07:08] Daniel: but that being said, didn't you justmost recently post your, your highest vertical and get to what your goal.

[00:07:16] Andrew: Uh, well, and that's the thing is I, Iadded roughly three inches at least. And, you know, maybe, maybe over the nextcouple of days, I'm really taking a, took a rest day today and I'll probably goeasy tomorrow. I'll probably do like an upper body again. And then I'll, I'lltest the last day just to see if I can eat out like another inch on thatvertical.

[00:07:35] Andrew: Um, and most of my vertical tests havebeen at the end of workout. So I'll probably do a little warmup and then testand see if I can get. That extra, if I've gotten that extra inch. So I've donewell, which is cool. Like I've, I've gotten three and I'm guessing probablygoing to be four inches by the end.

[00:07:50] Andrew: And today. But I feel like in terms ofdiscipline, I was lacking, I guess, is what I'm getting at. I, I didn't hit asmany workouts as I wanted. Um, I didn't stretch as much as I said, I was goingto a special on that last half. I still got some more stretching in, but there'sjust in my mind, I really dropped the ball on a lot of stuff.

[00:08:08] Andrew: It still was cool because I've, I'vedefinitely had improvement on the vertical. Um, I feel like I could've donebetter. Um, maybe gotten five or six or seven inches out of it. If it reallywould have been disciplined on this, I'm hoping, or at least I'm telling myselfthat's what it was. Maybe, maybe no matter what I did, I was only getting threeor four.

[00:08:25] Daniel: Maybe, I mean, that'd be, that'd bequite a jump, Um,

[00:08:29] Daniel: pun intended there. So I think thismonth though, you're, you're getting to experience a little bit what Brett andI experienced last month, which is that, you know, in our SQL challenge, Brettand I both had some struggles with our consistency. We didn't hit what wewanted to every single day, but we still left the challenge feeling.

[00:08:51] Daniel: Uh, sense of growth and, and I wasable to get access to our SQL database at work. And like, I know enough where Icould find some things if I needed to. [00:09:00]And I can talk to one of my managers about that, who he wants to learn more SQLstuff. So we've kind of set that around the goals and like we can conversearound it versus that one was more, more of a successful month for you.

[00:09:10] Daniel: So it's, it's flipped a little bit andhopefully what you get to experience and what our listeners can sort of hear iseven though you didn't have a perfect. Month in terms of your discipline and,and kind of trying to tick every box, you still did stick with it and youdidn't, you know, the first time you ate something fried or the first time thatlike your vertical actually went down, instead of going back up, you didn'tsay, ah, you know what?

[00:09:36] Daniel: I messed up this month, I'm out. Likeyou, you kept back and you did stick with it. And you did still show growthover the course of the month. I think your vertical is going to technicallyincrease more than mine will across the course of the month. Even though I,this was a good month for me in terms of training and consistency.

[00:09:56] Andrew: Yeah, well, and that's, that is anexcellent point because a lot of people, and I've done this as well, and I'msure you have too. It's like, well, I screwed up. So I guess I'm done. And thenyou quit and that is you can't do it like that. You've got to learn to takethose. Uh, we'll call them failures. It's it has the wrong connotation becauseit's not really a failure, but having those road bumps, you gotta be able totake those in stride and say like, Hey, I'm not going to be able to be perfectand me be able to keep going because you're right.

[00:10:24] Andrew: I still picked up some stuff. Um, oneof the cool things about this challenge was I am finally running again. I'vebeen telling myself for months that I was going to pick up my cardio and reallyget to work on it. This was kind of the, the boost that got me going there. Sothat's been really handy. So that's a big win.

[00:10:41] Andrew: Um, and, and going back to sequel, uh,this is kind of funny and just, just to really drive home that even if it'sjust a short little practice challenge during this little thing, learningsequel in this case, um, not only did we have the successes that we had orwhatever you want to call it, learning. use this a thing called air table.

[00:11:03] Andrew: It's basically a free, uh, prettyhandy user-friendly, uh, database. Um, instead of having a SQL database, it's,that's a lot more easy for the average person to use and saying that I stilltreated it like Google sheets. I used it like a, like a weird Google sheets.And so a lot of the stuff I was trying to do with air table, I would just kindof wouldn't.

[00:11:26] Andrew: Be able to fit it in, right. Because Iwas trying to do things that you would do with Google sheets or Excel. Andafter learning sequel, I'm playing around with it. Now I'm like, oh, I get it.Now I get how this is supposed to function. And it just carries over. So like,even though we've been doing this, this vertical challenge, I'm still gettingbenefits a month later from the SQL challenge.

[00:11:47] Andrew: I know that's how it's going to bewith this vertical challenge. Um, my cardio is only going to increase more.I've gone up in strength on some stuff. Um, it's just going to get better. Soeven if I had, in my [00:12:00] mind, kind ofsome of these, these roadblocks, a lot of it came down to my schedule. What wasgoing on, you know, I had a lot of work stuff that came up that got in the wayand you know, that sucks at the timing.

[00:12:10] Andrew: And I wasn't able to follow through onsome of the stuff I did, but it doesn't mean I'm not gonna be able to carryover. Some of the, I guess you could call it technique that I was learning onhow to jump better. Um, and kind of the drive to like work on that aspect oflife. Cause I've kinda been in a rut of just focused on like heavy lifting andtrying to move more weight and that kind of thing.

[00:12:30] Andrew: So I'm excited about it even honestly,I, I would say it's a success, I guess, is what I'm getting at. This was asuccess that I know is going to pay dividends down the road. Despite me nothaving performed as well as I would've liked. Um, I'm still happy with it.

[00:12:48] Daniel: that's awesome. Yeah. And I thinkthat's a great perspective is to 30 days in the month, like it.

[00:12:56] Daniel: just gives us a framework to workfrom, but there, there will be the further reaching impacts. What we'relearning. Cause I mean, it's not as if those skills just go away and you neveruse them. We're, we're doing our best to try to do these challenges and thingsthat actually intersects somewhat with our day-to-day lives,

[00:13:16] Andrew: Sure. Uh, just, just because a lot ofpeople don't look at the Google sheets we've been hanging out there. Um, yourvertical right now is sitting at 36 inches. Correct?

[00:13:27] Daniel: 35 and a half.

[00:13:29] Andrew: 35 and a half. I'll give you thatextra half inch. That's that's like a, a springy floor versus not a, so I'm at26 inches, uh, which is a wildly.

[00:13:41] Andrew: And, and for those listening that knowDaniel's a little taller than me. This is not like a, oh, Daniel's got a littleheight. This is with the standing thing. So Daniel has a full foot, highervertical. They in me, which adding on to everything else means you're probably.Uh, good head and shoulders above me.

[00:14:00] Andrew: If we were both to go up for like adisc or something, which is a little sad on my part, but it's also always beenkind of that way. So I'm not I'm over it at this point, but like, just forperspective, Daniels, jump on really dang high, in my

[00:14:13] Daniel: that I think this means the next timewe see each other. I could, I could maybe literally jump over you so we couldtry that.

[00:14:20] Andrew: Maybe, I mean, 36 inches is like threefeet and I'm only five nine. So I'll let you have to do is be able to get threefeet up and be able to raise your feet, you know, two or three feet and you gotit.

[00:14:35] Daniel: oh, I'm not talking not. And then Iput my feet over your head.

[00:14:38] Andrew: Oh,

[00:14:38] Daniel: I'm going to like, you know, I justgotta beat get my crotch higher than your head basically.

[00:14:43] Andrew: Oh, that's easy.

[00:14:44] Daniel: Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Well,we'll test it. We'll test it out.

[00:14:48] Andrew: Yeah. I'm thrilled to see how thisexperiment goes. And if it goes poorly, the results will not be pleasant foreither of us. I don't think. So, was there anything from this [00:15:00] last month that you thought was a waste oftime or that you thought was really important for somebody else to try?

[00:15:06] Andrew: Or was there anything that reallystood out as a highlight for this challenge?

[00:15:14] Daniel: um, I think for me, something that isa highlight, I wouldn't say that there was anything that was a waste of time.Um, I think something that stands out is. You mentioned I'm somebody who hashistorically been able to jump pretty high. Like that's, that's been, uh, youknow, I, I heard on the radio the other day, uh, they were interviewing somelike NFL dude from the combine and they were saying, you know, Hey man, if wewere, if we were to see you at the combine and we were to say, like, dosomething that impresses us, like, what's your, what's your physicalattributes?

[00:15:51] Daniel: Like, what thing would you do? Um, toimpress us if we asked you to do that, would you lift something heavy? Wouldyou, you know, run fast or whatever it is? Um,

[00:15:59] Daniel: so when I, if I were asked thatquestion, I'd probably say like, being able to jump high is the thing that Iwould do to impress you if I needed to do that. Um,

[00:16:10] Daniel: so even, even with that being the caseright now, By having more of a focus on I'm going to be consistent with theseworkouts. I'm going to be more consistent with my protein intake, um, and workon some technique was still able to improve. And so you can improve onstrengths is what I'm trying to get at.

[00:16:34] Daniel: Um, and then specifically for me, asfar as the different challenges or, uh, different tracking things that I did, Ithink. Trying to look at my protein consumption and my daily weight, where twoof the most insightful things that an actually helped encourage me to, to keepdoing the workouts, because I noticed there, there were several days that I'mgetting to the end of the day and it's like, I'm going to close out the daywith 90 grams of protein.

[00:17:03] Daniel: If I don't do something. So I wouldhave another protein shake or. You know, just find some meat and shout down.And so it encouraged me to, to change my activity that otherwise I wouldn'thave done if I wasn't keeping track of it. And then same thing, kind ofwatching my weight from like, oh, wow. I'm, I'm dropping some pounds here.

[00:17:22] Daniel: Cause I'm running a lot. Maybe I'mdehydrated. So it encouraged me to be drinking more water and again, to feelgood about eating more food.

[00:17:32] Andrew: The protein is tough. Uh, that is it'sfun to track, like, or not fun, but like could detract because. Almost everyday. I was like, oh, I need to take my case and shake before bed because I'm at115, 120 grams. And my goal was really like 180 grams a night. And I think theclosest I got was like one day I got like 1 65.

[00:17:56] Andrew: Um, so it's keeping that in mind, [00:18:00] keeping it at the front of your mind. It'sreally handy get, especially if you're training in a, if you're trying to loseweight or if you're trying to gain muscle either way, you need a crap ton ofprotein and it is hard to get that much protein in your diet. Like it's just,it's difficult.

[00:18:18] Daniel: Yeah, no doubt.

[00:18:21] Andrew: Well, I know we are, we still got acouple of days to round out our final numbers for the vertical, but let's jumpinto challenge number four, our money making challenge. So this'll be mostlythrough may. Uh, I don't know if that's a good month or not to make money, but,uh, what are your thoughts? Do you have like any kind of plan at all on whatyou're gonna do or any thoughts on what you're playing?

[00:18:49] Andrew: Lean towards, are you going to readanything, study anything like what's, what's going down on your world.

[00:18:56] Daniel: Yeah. this one is tough because Ithink from a market perspective, we're probably headed towards a recession,which There's money to be made in a recession as well as in a, in a bullmarket. But I. I don't know. I, I kinda think as much as I want to do a reallysmart like stock type of deal. Um, I kinda think I'm going to do some sportsbetting this month.

[00:19:26] Daniel: And so maybe, I don't know whichdirection you're going to go. Maybe it'll be an interesting dichotomy of if youjust take a hundred bucks within the span of 30 days, um, you know, can youmake more sports betting or doing stuff? You're probably gonna do like options,which is basically betting anyway. Uh, but I think that's the direction I'mgoing to go because the NBA playoffs or something, I've been just watching alot of, um, I, the Mavericks are still in it, which is fun.

[00:19:59] Daniel: It's going to have to make me sort ofdecide between, do I bet with my head or my heart? Um, And yeah, I think it'lljust be a little more, it'll add a little more excitement. Cause either I'mgoing to blow you out of the water. I'm going to like double or triple yourmoney or I'm going to end the month with $0.

[00:20:19] Andrew: Yeah. There's no, in-between,

[00:20:21] Daniel: Yeah.

[00:20:22] Andrew: Vegas with you. It's it'll be $0 or abunch of money or a possibly bolt, depending on what shut timeframe you look athalfway through we'll quad or quintuple the money. And then by May 31st, we'llbe back to zero.

[00:20:37] Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. So as far as reading andresearch, I mean, there, there are people who make a living at supportspending. So I'm going to definitely do some, some research, do some reading,try to figure out a smart way to at least make the money last through the endof the month and not, you know, have day two roll around and was like, well,I'm out.

[00:20:58] Daniel: Good luck, Andrew. [00:21:00]

[00:21:00] Andrew: Well, and so shout out to Nick, I, he,for those of you, who've listened to this podcast for as long as it's beendoing it, or if this is your first episode, the intro and the outro music thatwe have was actually, uh, a song we purchased from this guy named Nick and hisbrother. Makes boatloads of money from what I've heard, I've never, this isthird hand information, so grain of salt, but, uh, his brother is aprofessional sports better and he makes his money sports betting, uh, for yearsnow.

[00:21:32] Andrew: So there are people out there. Uh,we'll see what happens. Um, there's a good chance. So we're going to try and doa hundred dollars, I think, is that has sound about right? Yep. So we're goingto do a hundred bucks. Okay. There's a small part of me that might actually doa hundred dollars on sports betting stuff.

[00:21:51] Andrew: And then I might also do a separateexperience with options trading cause I love options. And uh, so far I've beenreally, really good at making a chunk of money and then immediately losing allof it. So I wanted to do options. But in a much more controlled and specificmanner because what'll happen is I might make two or three or four or $5,000,and then I get cocky or overconfident.

[00:22:17] Andrew: And now I'm doing like, what arebasically three or $4,000 bets and a. Yeah, it just doesn't go so well. So Imight do like one-on-one practice doing some options, really, really chill,like, and then practice doing the sports betting. Cause I've always wanted tolearn sports betting and try and do a really, really investment style approach.

[00:22:38] Andrew: So I might actually end up doing 200.Treat them as like two separate $100 things just because I have, uh, you know,I don't have kids and too much responsibility in my life and I can be dumpedsometimes. So we'll see what happens. Um, I'm probably going to try and learnthe candlestick method because I've mostly just been, uh, treating this asVegas on my phone.

[00:22:56] Andrew: So that be my goal is I'm going to tryand actually take this into a scientific as if it's a job approach, probablyspend 10, 15 minutes a pre-market opening in the morning and then. 10 15minutes may making one or two trades, uh, throughout the month and just I'll probablyrecord them and see how it goes.

[00:23:14] Andrew: And or if I go to sports bettingroute, same thing, I'll probably try and do like 10 minutes research every dayand then make some really small five, $10 bets and try and just stack up acouple dollars a day. Cause you know, if I can make five bucks a day doingthis, then technically by the end of the month, we'll be at a much bigger valuethan the a hundred dollars.

[00:23:33] Andrew: And I'm not going to do that mathbecause. don't know how to process that kind of numbers in my head. So I'mexcited to see where it goes. Uh, it'll be nice, not worrying so much about,uh, killing my body in the gym, but I'll probably still be happening, but yeah.

[00:23:50] Daniel: yeah.

[00:23:50] Daniel: Do you have any, is your goal to likedouble your money to. Not having lost your money, like w what would be success?

[00:23:59] Andrew: [00:24:00]Uh, okay. This is gonna maybe sound a little overzealous and I am POB probablygoing to regret this, and it's also probably going to be why I ended up with$0. Um, I'm aiming for a thousand dollars by the end of the month. I want to, Iwant to 10 X the money.

[00:24:16] Daniel: okay. I, I think I'd be happy. With anice 50% gain. If I had in the month with one 50, calling that a win.

[00:24:27] Andrew: Well, uh, I guess we'll see whathappens. I, this is, you'll probably end up with your 150 then, and I willprobably have zero because, uh, that sounds a lot more achievable, but I getridiculous when it comes to this kind of thing. And I'm really, I don't know.Part of me secretly wants to one day be able to just trade for, uh, for afull-time job.

[00:24:50] Andrew: I guess you could say. We'll see, butall right. We'll, uh, we'll throw everything we find in the show notes. Um,we'll obviously have another journal that, uh, we'll probably spend too muchtime making to look fancy. And, uh, so if you want to keep up with how thislast challenge went for us, how the next challenge is going, always check theshow notes for that Google sheet link, and you can see how we're doing.

[00:25:15] Andrew: Maybe we'll get fancy and we'll beable to track like the actual dollar amount that be kind of fun. So we'll linkthem to the show notes. We'll have Daniel's video of him dunking in the shownotes as soon as he gets it over. And yeah, we're excited to guys hope some ofyou all join us on this money. One, I know this is probably a little bit moreup more people's alleys than a learning, how to jump high.

[00:25:36] Andrew: So hop in,

[00:25:38] Daniel: would love if, if anybody, ifanybody's like I'm in for that, just text us.

[00:25:43] Daniel: what you're doing, how it's doing.We'll give you a shout out. You don't, you don't have to necessarily come onthe episode unless you want to free to come on to, but this is an easy one tojust follow along And have some.

[00:25:55] Andrew: And it's interesting keeping up withthe stock market really makes you aware of the world and same with the sportsbetting. I'm sure it, it makes you more aware of factors that you're probablynot paying attention to on a day-to-day basis. And it kind of widens yourperspective on whatever this little niche thing is, you know, the economics,the, and in my case, it's going to be knowing what what's happening inbasketball, period, whatever we're doing.

[00:26:19] Andrew: So, uh, it's always cool to kind ofshift your perspective.

[00:26:22] Andrew: But all right guys, uh, until sometimein mid may, we'll have our update upset for you guys. And, uh, we appreciatey'all listening and we look forward to connecting with you soon.