Kenny Harris- Comedy and Ultimate Frisbee (#33)

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Kenny Harris (@kennylee270), aka Kendrick Harris, aka Kenny the beautiful, host of Up Super Late, Ultimate Frisbee aficianado, and drafter is one of those people that just makes other people feel amazing. This is a talent.

Learn about how Kenny's life has lead him into comedy, frisbee, and all the ways he's dealt with being the funny guy in the room.

Show Notes


Go out there and try to make a stranger laugh or smile, and see how it makes you feel.

P.S.- it's not going to be nearly as terrifying as you might think.

Up Super Late Podcast

"This podcast that's so good it'll make you take the long way home. Topical news podcast, Later!"

Follow their insta (@upsuperlate) and subscribe!

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Up Super Late via Instagram

Bo Burnham *Special* on Netflix

This will mess. you. up.

Andrew cried the first time he watched it. And then the next two or three times. Whiskey recommended.

Comedians and Mental Health

"There is a thin line that separates laughter and pain, comedy and tragedy, humor and hurt."

Ultimate Frisbee- The Sport of Band Nerds

For how much this has come up, we probably should have had a link to frisbee before hand. But hey, better late than never.

Bernie's Episode with DxT

Bernie is another podcaster and band nerd. Basically, he's hella dangerous. Don't believe us? Check out this older episode.


Curious about Kenny's day job? This is what an actual drafter is!

Want to know what Daniel and Andrew think about when someone says drafter? Here's an amazing book series...
(it's not a good show notes if we don't have at least one book recommended in it)

Episode Transcript


Andrew: [00:00:20]Hello to our incredible listeners. Welcome back to another episode. We arethrilled. You are here and. We have a special guest. Kenny Harris also known asKendrick Harris, also known as Kenny. The beautiful that last one is purelyjust a, my assumption. And I am projecting it onto him because I have notactually met Kenny, but we are thrilled to have him on.

Kenny is a fellow podcaster who hosts the show up superlate. It's a really good podcast. You guys check out. He also is aphotographer, a creator. And most importantly to me, at least, because I am nothorribly funny. He is a comedian, which is really why I wanted to get him onthe show and pick his brain on some of this kind of stuff, because he's afriend of Daniel's who plays ultimate Frisbee with him and they go ham all thetime.

Apparently. So I haven't had the pleasure, but this is agood friend of Daniel's and we are really excited to have him on and get toknow them a bit more. So Kenny, welcome onto the show. Thanks for joining us.

Kenny: [00:01:19]

Hey. Yeah. Nice. to finally be able to get on here, man. Youguys sound like you got a pretty organized deal going on here, so yeah, it'sgoing to be nice to be a part of one of those,

Andrew: [00:01:26] That's that's what Danieldoes. I just kind of show up and then Daniel shapes it for the perception oforganization, but really it's chaos. It's all chaos, baby.

Kenny: [00:01:34]Right at home, then I'm feeling really good now.

Daniel: [00:01:36]Yeah. I'm a shaper. I didn't know that I needed that title, but thank you forgiving

that to me, Andrew.

Andrew: [00:01:41]So Kenny, I heard you and Daniel were hanging out yesterday at a Frisbeetournament.

Kenny: [00:01:46] Yeah, yeah. We had a trialit's yesterday and it was really funny because I texted or I was texting DanielDay before and he was like, you got to go. I was like, yeah, I'm going, I'mpretty stoked. But, you know, don't guard me cause I want to look like I'm goodat this. Daniel's pretty good.

Andrew: [00:01:59] Kind of a jerk isn't he?

Kenny: [00:02:01]is, is, cause he's the worst part is he's like so good, but like he's so nice.

So I'm just kinda like, gosh, like I can't, I can't hatethis guy for being faster and jumping high right now.

Andrew: [00:02:11]Quit DME, man. I'm trying my hardest and you're making me look bad.

Kenny: [00:02:15]Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: [00:02:15]It's it's really embarrassing. Daniel, and you just start taking other people'sfeelings into consideration.

Daniel: [00:02:21]All

right. So to be fair. And I think where Kenny was going withthis, as we were talking about that, and the very first thing that happens isKenny and I are on opposite teams playing each other in many of course out of,I don't know, probably like. 80 people being out there are four on four minigame happens to be against each other.

But for the record, I'm pretty sure your team

one, Kenny,

Kenny: [00:02:45]we did, but it didn't feel good. Didn't feel right at all. So what's the point,you know, I walk away and I'm like Daniel got to me again. Gosh, dang it. Youknow?  

Andrew: [00:02:54]How long have you been playing Frisbee?

Kenny: [00:02:56] I've been playing for aboutabout seven years. You know, let me think. Yeah. About seven, eight years onand off missed a couple of years, but yeah,

since high


Daniel: [00:03:05]how did that get started for you? Because for me, I started playing. Frisbee ina church, youth group with an Roby Frisbee. We played out on the field and kindof in the gym. And it was a far cry from any sort of organized Frisbee, but Ifigured out like, Oh, I'm, I'm actually okay at the sport.

And then I realized that people actually played it and kindof took it seriously and never stopped from there. So how did you

get into it?

Kenny: [00:03:29] I started in high school andit was senior year of high school. It was me and a bunch of my best friends. Wewere all in band and we found out from another band about this sport.  We took it to. We played every once in awhile we were playing on concrete actually, because when you're young, you canjust do stupid stuff like that. And I'm literally just throwing around onconcrete and everything. Once I made it to college  there was an intermural for it and theycouldn't even throw. And I was like, hi, I'm automatically better thaneverybody. Who's playing this sport at this school.  By default. from there, yeah, it really tookoff.

Cause I was just kinda like, yeah, this is something to do.And there's a lot of running and I like to run, like being the best.

Andrew: [00:04:07]Oh, you like to be the you and Daniel and me. I mean, I'm just never actuallyget that, but I want that to be a warning for everybody out there.  Never, if you hear somebody that's doing likeFrisbee and isn't banned, it's probably somebody you don't want to play sportswith.

Really do anything physical with, because. These band kidsare nuts. And I'm saying this from personal experience, Daniel was a band kid.Apparently Kenny's a band kid. We had Bernie on and he's a band kid. They haveno fear. We overcompensated so much when we were in band that it's, there's nofear of death.

So watch out don't trust the band kids.

Kenny: [00:04:43]Oh man.

Daniel: [00:04:44]What'd you

what'd you play in band?

Kenny: [00:04:46] I was a trumpet player foractually like seven

years. Yeah,

Daniel: [00:04:49]I played a little trumpet, but I quit once we got to high school because all myfriends quit and that's really, the only reason I do anything is if my friendsare

doing it.

Kenny: [00:04:58]yeah, exactly. Exactly.  all of myfriends were actually trumpet players and we all quit once we got the what'sour separate colleges. Except for one, but he's the nerdiest one now.  

Daniel: [00:05:15]All right. So, so you played some in college. Where did you go to college?What'd

you do in college?

Kenny: [00:05:20]I went to a school in East, Texas called Texas a and M university commerce. Ilike to say commerce way after. I like to say it way after I was saying Texas aand M  really gets the conversation goingfrom there. But yeah, I went to there it's a small school, but it's growing alot more. It's about an hour away, hour and a half away from Dallas.  And for the most part there, I was a major, Imajored in industrial and engineering, industrial engineering which is, youknow, a whole nother thing. Hold another book, you know, that's going to, it'sa completely different episode. I'm sure of of a podcast.  Yeah. Made a lot of friends. That's where Ipicked up a little bit of comedy and yeah.

Daniel: [00:05:56] the whole line of questionson wanting to understand your background. One, it's just, a selfish line ofquestioning. Cause Kenny we've played Frisbee together for a little while now.And I was talking to. Bret, a friend who listens to the podcast.

And I was like, I'm really excited to get Kenny on because Idon't know a lot about Kenny aside from, we play Frisbee together and he hasthis comedy podcast. So we're all going to get to learn about you. So there'sthat selfish aspect, but I always am curious, like when it comes to comedy, Ifeel like a lot of times, a lot of people draw from their own experiences.

And a lot of times we think it's. Funny because we havesimilar experiences. So I wanted to know what your background wasn't. It soundslike your brand, a comedy may appeal. Maybe it feels to me, you know, I assumethere's some Frisbee in there. I do that. Maybe there's some band jokes in there. I, I dunno.

I mean, I was in band. I like that. And I love that episodeof SpongeBob. That's all about band humor.

Kenny: [00:06:54]The

Daniel: [00:06:54]he went to.

Kenny: [00:06:55]the best one.

Daniel: [00:06:56]It's the best one, the bubble bowl.

Kenny: [00:06:57] thebest one.

Daniel: [00:06:58]And

we both went to a, You know, it's not the same Texas a and Mbut

Kenny: [00:07:02]Yeah,

Daniel: [00:07:03]it's, it's in the name. So, yeah.

Kenny: [00:07:06] alot in common in the name a


Daniel: [00:07:08]when, when it comes to like doing comedy and sort of your brand, is that  Based on a lot of your past experiences. Isthat, is it, is it like what, what's your, what's your niche? What's your


Kenny: [00:07:17] Man, that is, that is liketo be honest, that is like the biggest question. Whenever it comes to peoplethat that tried to do it on stage, just trying to find that, and it takes,sometimes it takes people a really long time. In terms of what I try to draw from his experience  for the most part, a lot of my experiencegrowing up in  I was really social as akid.

Like I was always trying to make friends. We moved around alot around Dallas.  Easiest way to makefriends is, make them laugh, make anybody laugh, and they'll like it a littlebit more. For the most part. I don't know exactly where it all comes from. Ijust know in terms of my personality, my goal, whenever I first meet a lot ofpeople is I'm going to get this person to chuckle a little bit,  also pretty big part of my origin story.

When I was in high school, my senior year, I was votedfunniest kid in band. And once again, that's just, that was it. You know, tookoff from there.

Daniel: [00:08:02]they, they prophesied over you. I think.

Kenny: [00:08:05]Yeah, exactly. It was

Andrew: [00:08:06]the chosen one.

Kenny: [00:08:07]yeah. Basically I was like, Oh, that my life is basically written for the restof this.

So yeah.

Andrew: [00:08:12]So I was going to ask you how you got into comedy, but that kind of answered alittle bit. And if there's more, I'd love to hear more about it, but instead,how big of a factor was that? Because I think a lot of what drives, what weended up doing is because of something like that,  I liked writing because in third grade I wonthis contest for the most persuasive essay in a room of like 10 other.

Third graders. I was like, I'm a writer now and it's alwaysbeen in my head. So like how big do you think that actually affected you?

Kenny: [00:08:41] Pretty greatly. I mean,it's, like I said, it's a pretty, like, I make a joke. I make jokes about it,but I mean, at the same

time, you know, I can't, yeah. I can't help myself about it.But  at the same time, I feel like whenyou're, when you're younger  it's thisstuff like that is way more effective on like your mental state and.

When it comes tomolding, like what you want to be like, someone tells you, I can't remember. Iread something about it recently. Some about gratification, I believe.  Whenever you tell like, Oh, this is likereally good, you know, and they like draw a picture or something like that. Andthen you tell them like, this is really good.

And every time they draw us a picture, you say, this isreally good. And at least I'm getting into art or something like that in middleschool and high school and they keep going from there. It, you may not realizethat that's something that. It's so small it's like anything, any parent wouldbe like, Oh, let's put this on the fridge.

You know what I mean? But at the same time that kid that'slike the world to them, you know?

Andrew: [00:09:27]No, that affirmation is powerful. It's super powerful. And it goes for thenegative too. Someone's like, Hey, you're trash at this.

Okay. You end up with Andrew who can't sing or do mathbecause his, first grade music choir teacher told him that he was not allowedto sing because he was so bad at it.

And same with math. Hey, you're really bad at math. Allright, cool. That's my identity now. And 20 years later, it's it's hard todeconstruct.

Kenny: [00:09:50]Very hard. Very

difficult. Yeah.

Andrew: [00:09:53]Yeah. Be careful with your words out there. Be positive, make people do greatthings like Kenny and his comedy.


So besides the affirmations that like, Hey, funniest canband, which, I hope people don't make fun of you too much for, of course, butwhat else drove that, path that you're walking, because surely it wasn't like,Hey, you got this one award and then, Hey, you know what.

I'm going to go spend a lot of time and effort learning howto make people laugh, possibly in a professional way. You don't just, you don'tturn on a dime necessarily for that thing though. There's there's like bricksthat build the wall. So what else built the wall? What channeled that path aswell?

Kenny: [00:10:32]Like I said, so, I mean, obviously before I, even before that even startedthere had to be a lot more  you know,just comedy or at least, you know, making people laugh before that.  For the most part I think what made me wantto. Move further in that direction is like, I heard it from everywhere.

I heard it from a lot of people.  And the reason that is, is because, like Isaid, every time I meet someone new and I want to make sure that I can at leastshow that portion of my personality, because that's literally the part that Iwas going to spell out anyway.  And itjust kind of always been that way since, as far as long as I remember atleast  I don't know.

I think for the mostpart, it's just,  growing up, it wasalways like treat others how you'd like to be treated. And if I am being nicemaking jokes, I'd definitely take a joke back. And that is if that's how lifewas everywhere, I would be satisfied,

Daniel: [00:11:15]for sure. And so, yeah. That's something that I it's always stood out to methat you're a  positive person, easy,easy to talk to. And so with that aspect of your personality, do you find ithard at all to be more serious in close relationships to go through? Cause Imean, we all go through dark times and tough times.

And so as being that person who, you know, you're, you're.Stereotype that, and a lot of ways has been constructed for you, but you'vealso continued to feed into is being a person who can make others laugh. Do youfind it hard to go into those more serious aspects of personality andconversation?

Kenny: [00:11:55]Yeah, 100%. Yeah, that's an excellent, excellent question. 100% it's especiallywhen, when It's people that I know and. Closer the relationship, the harder itis, and a lot of sets and the harder times my girlfriend of seven years. She'll, I mean, she'd be the main one to, to what's the word, confirmthis, I guess, you know, in some situations where it's like, ah, we gotta beserious here and I'm like, I am being serious, you know, or whatever with it, Iam being serious with smile on my face or something like that.

But it's just, it makes it really hard to communicate insome areas, or even when I'm just feeling at my lowest. It's really hard for meto communicate that to someone else at times. And that's just, like you said, that is based on kind of the stereotype thatI've kind of built for myself at this point, you know?

Daniel: [00:12:39] It's

uh, Knowing that are there, are there any intentional stepsthat you take in order to. No be able to say, Hey, like all jokes aside, likelet's talk seriously for a moment. Or is that something you're, you're stillworking on the waist to be able to dive into those types of


Kenny: [00:12:59]Yeah. For the most part, that's something that is still. Kind of in progress, Itry different things. You know, you can say all jokes aside or, you know, justeven something as simple as, you know, calling a FaceTime and just so they cansee that my face. And so they can see  myexpressions, but even then it doesn't always translate perfectly.

So it's not in any way a solved motion, I don't think or atleast a solve problem as much as it's definitely still a work in progress.  But. In, I guess in going through hard times here and there over the lastfew, few years, I've tried different things and people have even reached out tome to let me know, Hey, you know, I can never tell when you're being serious.

And sometimes I'm like, Oh, that's great. You know?  And sometimes whenever I am trying to beserious and I'm actually reaching out for help, they can't tell if I'm beingserious, then it's becomes like something that is very hard, very, you know,terrible feeling.

Daniel: [00:13:48]Yeah,

Yeah, no. And I would imagine that there are plenty ofpeople that can sort of relate to that, that have maybe been  have maybe been typecast into a certainpersonality trait or style either by friends or by, by family. Like my. Myfamily sees me as being the most extroverted person alive, which is funny tome.

Cause I'm not I'm certainly more extroverted than any ofthem are, but there's almost kind of that expectation. And then there are otherpeople who are like, Oh yeah, Daniel, like he's, he's super aloof. And it'sjust kind of, you got to. Find ways where sometimes I can serve you. Obviously,but then there are other times where you need to be able to say like, Hey, I'm,I'm an entire person.

I'm not just the family extrovert. I'm not just the aloofperson, you know, in your case, like I'm not just the funny person there, thereare other aspects

as well.

Kenny: [00:14:41]Yeah. 100%. I am SU so I would actually identify myself as an extrovert. Gottabe social and try to get out as much as possible, be outgoing.  But it's funny. Cause like my, my roommate,I'm one of my best friends. He's an introvert, my girlfriend introvert like deeply  introverted and just  sometimes it's putting myself in theirmindset.

I can see where I canbe, where it's relatable and why I get more, why they are the way that theyare. In a sense that you don't know how someone's reading you and it's not alwaysjust, you know, Oh, it's funny guy on the cover, you know, I just, like yousaid, you go through things and sometimes you're not in the mood to beyourself.

I guess that's probably the best way to put that for me.

Daniel: [00:15:22]I love that idea of you're not in the mood to necessarily be yourself and thatcan be a jarring spot to be like that is so hard when. Normally you do feellike I kind of live up to this expectation that others have of me and I, and I'm cool with it. I likeit.  And then in the moments where, likeyou're saying, you don't live up to that and you don't feel that that's just, Ithink that's really, really tough and that's where anxiety, depression,whatever that sort of stuff is, can kind of, can kind of creep in, in.

I I'm kind of curious because I see you as being a prettypositive person. I think I see myself as being a pretty positive person too.And so do you find that I don't know situations that would maybe upset otherpeople you can kind of let it roll off your back a little bit more than othersbecause of your mindset.

Is that something that has, has served you well, do you feellike you are able to. Use your comedy to improve your own life besides

just making people laugh.

Kenny: [00:16:24] It's crazy that you, youbring that up. Yeah. I was just thinking about that. Just this past week, howsome things, I mean, there's some things that affect me where I'm just like,you know, not stuff that I'll get over quickly. It's just stuff that. I can push through the back of my mind alittle bit quicker than others.

Put it off to dealwith alone quicker than others, I guess. And that's got a lot to do with comedy. I think that's something that'sreally common amongst a lot of other people who would share  the same, attributes.  it's something that when you do comedy, it'ssomething about turning that into either moving it to the side  being able to make yourself laugh.


Or maybe even turning it into something that makes otherpeople laugh. But yeah. For the most part, I just realized the other day I waskind of like, man, how long would it take if I just went through something a couple of months ago. And it was like,it felt like after a couple of weeks, I was like, I didn't forget about it, butit felt like I was back to myself and they were just, you know, people were checkingup and just being like, Oh, are you okay, man?

You know, and all of this and. I was just like, yeah, man,I'm fine. Like just a couple of days later. And on the inside I'm like, Oh, youknow, I'm still not over it, but yeah.

Andrew: [00:17:33]At the risk of taking our first comedy interview guest and to a deep and darkplace. Let me play off that a little bit. here's where I'm coming from. Iwatched Bo Burnham and I know we kind of talked about this a little bit before,so I've watched Bo Burnham's special and it is one of the most impactful thingsI've watched on Netflix.

And then on top of that, you have all of these really,really big comedians and. Inspiring really funny people who have committedsuicide and Bo Burnham who is still alive, basically quit comedy because he wassad is the wrong word, but he was almost dissatisfied. And it seems like thistrend where people who are really funny, like you.

Are really, really conflicted, possibly more so than youraverage person inside. There's a lot of darkness inside that they deal withthese demons that they're kind of trying to battle with making other peoplelaugh. Is that something you see universally across all these people? Is thatjust as successful ones or most specifically is that you.

Kenny: [00:18:34]So, yeah, now I'm dealing with a lot of stuff all the time. No, I'm just. No,I'm not. I'm  uh,

Andrew: [00:18:40]We shouldn't laugh. Oh

Kenny: [00:18:41]yeah, no, we should not rack. I'm still so bad, but I was, it was so open.   and I was trying to, I didn't want to justjump right to this earlier, but yeah, I think that is very much so a trend fora lot of, at least for the comedians that the major comedians that a lot morepeople would know  Bo Burnham being agreat example.

I love Bo Burnham. For the most part, it seems


a lot of these guys they're getting, they get onstage andAziz Ansari  Kevin Hart, Pope somebody,you know, one of these names that a lot of people know, and they'll go up thereand they'll tell some stories and it's like the truth. It is.

That's the thing about a lot of these jokes is they're thetruth. These are their actual experiences and the things that they go through.They're just putting it in a way for you to, for you to laugh. at it. But ifyou listen to that stuff without like the inflections in their voice and.  If it wasn't set up to look like there was apunchline coming, it's a sad story.

A lot of them are, and you, you learn to break that stuffdown. But I mean, the thing is that they want to make you laugh and making,making you laugh usually makes them feel better, you know, or at least.  It helps their process and a lot ofsituations. But what I've noticed too, from just like people around Dallas dodo comedy, just like literally, and these are just amateur guys that just getout there.

They write a couple of jokes down every week and go do openmic.  This, this it's the same thing.It's the exact same thing. They go up there, they're telling stuff off of theirexperience. And  sometimes it just, youlose that fulfillment, you know, that you get out of it and. It's not, it's nolonger helps to cope it, no. longer helps to share.

And it's eventually you just gotta focus on yourself Iguess, but yeah, it's, it's something that I've seen across  the high and the low and comedy.

Andrew: [00:20:15]So you definitely, weren't trying to fight the darkness with your comedy. Thisis more of a, you enjoy making people laugh, versus you're hoping tonecessarily, make, I guess, chasing humor for yourself. You're by making otherpeople laugh. You're not trying to. Raise your own spirits. So that's, that's

Kenny: [00:20:31]for me personally. Yeah.

Andrew: [00:20:32]That's good, man. I, I would hate to hate to hear that from somebody that theyjust met. Cause that'd be

really sad. But there's a lot of people out there that aresuffering and it sounds like you've dealt with some stuff. So I thought I

would check in.


Okay, let's take this a lighter way then real quick.

And I appreciate your honesty there. Cause that's handy.It's also easy to play the martyr and be like, Oh yeah, I'm dealing with stuff.And it's really hard to be me and you know, that kind of stuff. Like peoplealso do that all the time. So thanks for the honesty.

Kenny: [00:21:02]yeah, no  

Andrew: [00:21:02]What do you actually do? Like obviously do comedy.

You said you like to do photography you know, what, whatpays the rent.

Kenny: [00:21:08]Oh, I am a drafter. I worked for a construction company, especiallyconstruction construction company, and I do AutoCAD drawings for constructionplanes.

Andrew: [00:21:17]That is so cool. AutoCAD, I here is kind of a hard program to learn

(Andrew) Episode Kenny: [00:21:20]at

Andrew: [00:21:20]first.

Kenny: [00:21:21]at

first. and then once you pick it up, it's really the samething over and over and over you know, it's very fulfilling life. It's great.

Andrew: [00:21:28]Very cool.

Daniel: [00:21:29]I'm sensing a little bit of the, the sarcasm and that,

Kenny: [00:21:33]No,

Daniel: [00:21:35]but Andrew, I'm glad you asked. And we kinda got into the work thing becausethat's always another thing that I'm super interested to hear about and to askabout is when, when we're talking to people and this is, you know, this isalmost every single person that we talk to.

There is a career that they're doing. And many times thething that they are doing in their career, it's not, it's not something thatcompletely, you know, checks all the boxes and kind of fits like theirpersonalities, sort of like there's, there's work Kinney. And then there'soutside of work. Kenny, when he's doing all the things that he's reallyinterested in.

And so for something. Like, obviously, I, I assume you'renot really playing Frisbee at work or using AutoCAD to like calculate how youcan throw a better flake or things like that. And maybe you are,

Kenny: [00:22:21]You want to stop doing that? Yeah, go ahead.

Andrew: [00:22:23]Already got it done. First year, zeroed in.

Daniel: [00:22:26]but do you feel like there is a stark difference between the persona that youhave within work compared to who you are outside of work?

Kenny: [00:22:37]Yeah.

So, I mean, I said, yeah, but for the most part  at work it's. Actually just the social atwork as I am at at just where anywhere else I'll go. I'm not walking up topeople and just yelling a bunch of jokes at them, but I'm

Daniel: [00:22:50]Yeah.

Kenny: [00:22:50]not anymore at least. But

Andrew: [00:22:51]I want to see that.

Kenny: [00:22:52]yeah.  But no, I mean, so in terms ofwork to, you know, whenever I'm doing things that I, you know, I don't want tosay I don't enjoy doing, I enjoy doing the things outside of work.

I'm not saying that I don't enjoy work.  But in terms of my identities between thetwo, I would say I'm still  kind of thesame guy in both spots. I think I, things change depending on which group I'mwith, but in terms of working activities or, you know, my hobbies, not really,you know, but I think, and this is maybe a little. to this, but so whenever I'mat work or with friends or anything like that.

that's when I'm, you know, funny Kenny, but when I'm aroundlike family, I'm still a little funny, but it's completely different identity.Almost it's, it's not the that's when we get to this point where I'm like, ah,not the exact same, but yeah, there is a switch somewhere there.

Daniel: [00:23:43]I, I feel like you know, being a little goofy, little funny, that translatespretty easily into, into work for the most part.  So it is interesting that you feel likefamily is the one spot where there is a little bit of that difference. So w wwhy do you feel like that's where that changes? Like, do you have a, like asibling or like a cousin who is funnier than you?

And so you're like, Oh, I can't compete with that. No, yoube the funny one. And I'll, I'll just, I'll just hang out and I'll be funnywith my friends.

Kenny: [00:24:12] No, actually I, so I'm stillit was also voted funniest guy in my family my senior year of high school. So,

Daniel: [00:24:17] is that? Is that a real

Andrew: [00:24:18]had votes.

Kenny: [00:24:19]no, no, I'm just kidding. No, no, but you guys believe that, so I should reallyget that going.  

Andrew: [00:24:23]Now we're going to be a joke, Daniel.

Kenny: [00:24:25] No. So for the most partwith family, it's just more of a, I there's a, so there's only a one I'm likeone of two dudes near my age and my family and my generation. And really, I'mjust the only one at this, at this point. And the other guy he's not around toomuch.  So it's just more of, I wantgrowing up, I was like I don't know if there wasn't someone that was superrelatable to me, there's it was mostly, it's mostly a women in my family, theother, you know, and then there's like my dad, my grandpa, and I have an uncle,but mostly women in my family.

So,  and as growingup, I was like, kind of by myself a lot, except for one of my favorite cousinwas around.  Now that I'm older and theyknow that I do comedy and stuff like that, it like tell me a joke, you know,it's pressure. Every once in a while. So I'm just kinda like, ah, you know, I'drather just when I'm around family, I just keep my head down every once in awhile.

I'm getting much better about it. I'm coming out of my shella little bit more. But if, if the best way to, for me to describe it is I'm anextrovert 95% of the time. And then when I get around family, I'm introverted,you know, but

Andrew: [00:25:21]I don't think you're by yourself on that.

Kenny: [00:25:24]yeah.

Andrew: [00:25:25]Like, because I was talking to Daniel about this a little bit yesterday,actually. And I'm sad. I didn't get to see you. I was in Dallas very brieflythis weekend and I know

Daniel: [00:25:35]We keep Andrew

far away from, from any Frisbee activity. So that's

probably why.

Andrew: [00:25:40] we were talking aboutfamily Daniel's mom was on a couple episodes ago and his, one of his sisterswas on and now his other sister is going to be coming on and hisbrother-in-law's going to be coming on.

And I was like, Daniel, my family is going to feel left outnow. So I've got to bring them on. And then, you know, I like talked to mysiblings, but I don't have. As intimate a relationship with my siblings asDaniel might with his. And it's, it's because of that, what you're talkingabout with the you're a little bit different with your family, and it goes backto even further, what you said with, these expectations are set for you andthat's kind of, you respond accordingly.

You act in a certain way because you're expected to, and. Ikind of struggled with that with my family. They expect me to be a certain wayand it's not super positive necessarily. And so when I'm around my family, I,it,  almost chafes a little bit becauseI'm expected to act a certain way and they kind of pigeonhole me in thiscertain light.

And then I. Go along with it because that's my family andthat's who I am to them. And that's who I've been for 30 years now. So it'shard to break that cycle and be like, actually, I want to be a different persontoday. You know, I want to be the Andrew that hangs out with Daniel or theAndrew that just met Kenny.

It's, it's weird. What your family's expectations can do toyour personality when you're around them.

Kenny: [00:26:52]Yeah, exactly. I mean, yeah, you put it perfectly. But like I said, for themost part I've, I've noticed that's something that I've just caught on to alittle bit more and. Kind of just learning things and tried to do a littledifferent about it. But yeah, it is something that is, it's very difficult tobreak.

Cause it just kinda like you, it's your family, you know,they've known you your entire life, basically. I think, in mostsituations.  And it's like, you are whatthey've known you to be at all times. So it's like, Oh, you know, but as soonas I walk out of my grandma's house, I am back to.  You know, making inappropriate jokessomewhere.

I don't know something like that or appropriate, you know,sometimes,

Daniel: [00:27:29] The whole point of comedyis that you're allowed to say anything you want. And the more inappropriate,the more

funny, right.

Kenny: [00:27:34] Most of the time it's adifferent age, but yeah, different Day and age,

Daniel: [00:27:38]Day and age, and that, inappropriate level of comedy is not as accepted

as it used to be.

Kenny: [00:27:42]yeah, they will call the police on you now. I would not I wouldn't try it. youknow, Too much.


Daniel: [00:27:53]All right, Kenny. So this is the part of the podcast that we, we open it up forany sort of stories that you want to share. Any, any fun experiences Andrewtypically asks for anybody to share an experience that might embarrass me.We're I don't know, over 10 on that at this point.

But I have, I havehigh expectations, high hopes for you. So what you got for us?


Kenny: [00:28:17]Man. So I didn't, to be honest with you, I didn't know that I was supposed totry to embarrass you  because I don't, Idon't really have a lot of those, honestly, it was, it's usually the other wayaround whenever you pull up to the pickup. So, one of these yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't have one.

Maybe if I train really hard for like three years, maybeI'll find one.

Andrew: [00:28:35] I expect that five yearsfrom now, your D Daniel. This was for Andrew.

Kenny: [00:28:40]was it, give Andrew a quick email, just like, put me back on. I'm good to go.You know,   So probably one of the firstinstances that I met Daniels probably would have been at a tournament  about two years ago. What's the tournamentthat's near a and M

For club.

Daniel: [00:28:55]There's PB and J

Kenny: [00:28:56]Probably that's is that the college


Daniel: [00:28:59]yeah,

it's a club tournament that they do in college station most,every year.

Kenny: [00:29:02]Yeah. Yeah. That's probably more than likely that's it then. And you would havebeen playing with him.

Daniel: [00:29:06]Yep.

Kenny: [00:29:06]and I remember at some point I was on a really bad team, not a bad team. Wewere uh, what's the, what's the word that I'm looking for?  We, we're a developing team.

Mostly we are a team made of people who uh, either didn'tget to try out or other teams or didn't have the time to play full leagueseason of club.  So we were built we werelike the bad news bears of, of ultimate Frisbee that year.  We want to get its tip, which is, you know,the team that Daniel plays for.

Which is a bunch ofathletic guys  who are so good atultimately that they don't even have to practice or talk about it, youknow?  And I being a very cocky 24 yearold and this is probably like one of the first instances where I was in a game andI ran next to somebody. And they were right next to me the whole time, like Iwas trying to take off and they were right next to me for the whole time.

And I'll never forget. I, I thought I had an open cut andI'm just, I just remember telling the guy, telling me to go, go, go toward theend though.  I took off and the disc inthe air and I'm like, I'm going to get this. There's no way that this guy isgoing to find me. And that's it, as this gets in the air, as soon as it gets tothe spot where I'm like, I can go ahead and get this.

I see. Just uh, it's a giant of a man jumping in the way andsnag it out of there, like a Hawk. And as I lay it, I don't have the disc in myhand. I, I have no explanation for this. Cause I'm thinking that I'm completelyby myself. And then that guy smiles and then goes  Tufts to the disc. And then the rest of theplay continues.

And I am devastated because now my life means my life meansa lot less. Now on this Frisbee field at this point, And, and then that, youknow, probably like a couple months later I met that guy at pickup and he'slike, Hey, I'm Daniel. I play for him. And I'm like, what? Like, you're the guy, you're the guy that justjumped over me and completely, you know, made me rethink what high levelultimate was.

And he was like, yeah, I'm D I'm Daniel. And I was like,Okay.

Yeah, this is, this is basically from that point, I was likelife is a movie or ultimate Frisbee is a movie. Daniel was the protagonists andI, and the antagonist and we arrivals.

Andrew: [00:31:03]You should have picked a better rival Daniels. He's got more ups than hedeserves.

Kenny: [00:31:07]Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I tell people all the time. I'm like, yeah, that's,that's my rival. And they're like, does he know that? And I'm like, no, he doesit, but doesn't change it. Doesn't change it.

He has no idea.

Daniel: [00:31:17]you just, revealed you're the rivalry that, you know, I, I didn't, I didn'trealize that we were rivals. I thought we were like friends. I

thought we were cool, but

I remember that tournament. I remember. Playing againsty'all's team.  I don't know if I rememberthat particular play, but the way you describes it  sounds accurate, especially the part where Ijust smiled at you afterwards because that's something I've been made fun ofbefore is that I smiled too much while playing Frisbee.

Kenny: [00:31:43]It's guys out here having fun. And I, I am, I could cry right now, you know, Icould.

Daniel: [00:31:48]Yeah. And then I remember meeting at pickup and I was like, Oh, this kid guy,he's like super nice. I really liked playing Frisbee with them. He's he'sfunny. And  I didn't realize that youwere actually plotting a downfall and we were rivals and

I should be watching my back.

Kenny: [00:32:02]Oh, yeah. At all times, dude, I have like a 10 month plan planned right now.This is going, You know, as soon as step one starts, which is me getting goodat ultimate we're we're going to be good to go, dude. You know?

Andrew: [00:32:12]You know, Daniel told me when you were coming on. He's like, Kenny is thenicest guy I've met. He's he's just so nice. And now I know you were just,you're playing the mortal enemies card, real close. Keep those enemies close.You're nailing it. I respect that. I wish you luck in this path and I hope youare successful.

Daniel: [00:32:31]You know, I've, I've got a question. The other thing that I remember from, formeeting you early on Kenny, is that anytime I wore my dozen penny, you wouldalways ask if you could have it, or were you planning, were you planning likesome sort of like voodoo doll ritual thing and you needed that Jersey to likesteal power, like space jam or something like

Kenny: [00:32:51] You know, that's an old 10step plan. That's, that's, that's what we put in our scrapped ideas. So, and wetry not to revisit the scrapped ideas anymore over on this evil incorporationthat.

I have going on for ultimate Frisbee. So.  no, actually would have had a dozen Jerseyjust so people would think that I played for doesn't was once again, gives offthat.

I'm good at Frisbee,

Daniel: [00:33:09]It's all making sense. You know, the Texas a and M commerce.


Kenny: [00:33:13]Yeah. Perfect.

Daniel: [00:33:15]It all makes sense. Now,  

All right, Kenny, Idon't know if I, if I really want to give you the power to ask our audience fora challenge now that I know were bitter rivals, but it's what we do on thispodcast.

And you know what we're going to stick with it. So is thereany sorts of challenge that you would like share with our audience? Anythingthat you feel like after listening to this episode, they need to go and theyneed to

do in their lives.

Kenny: [00:33:46] Yes.

Man it's so literally Daniel just used the challenge that Iwanted to do as an example, and telling me what the challenges were.  So, so now I'm like, man, am I not creativeat all? Like, yeah, but it's fine. The challenge that I was I've been takingwas go out there  if, if you're an introvertor an extrovert or.

Shy. If you can, if you can build up the cards to do it,just go out there and try to make someone laugh, try to make someonesmile.  Tell them a joke.  And don't just do it, just do it to, youknow, make them happy, but really just try to understand how it makes you feelif you get anything positive out of it.

I know. And for me, whenever I can make someone laugh, itmeans a lot. It means a world. It means that I made someone's day and it turnsit's kind of selfish because it makes me feel like I made my own day.  Sometimes, but that would be my challenge isthat I would want you to try to make someone who you don't usually make


Daniel: [00:34:35]Oh,

that's great. That's

that's what we call a, that's what we call a win-win in thebusiness. Now I have an important technical question. I meant to ask thisearlier, but since you're our first comedian to have on the podcast, I need toknow for, for my own joke telling  areyour mom jokes still cool?

Are those still allowed?

Kenny: [00:34:55] Yeah, no, your mom jokes. Ifyou can get those going, that is still, that is the peak of harmony, honestly.

That is that's it. There will, there will never be anythingas good as, as your mom jokes.

Daniel: [00:35:05]All right, Hillary you're going to listen to this episode. I know it. So thisone's for you. Kenny said it, mom jokes are the peak of comedy.

Andrew: [00:35:12]Well, Kenny, thank you so much for coming on. I had a blast getting to meet youon the podcast and learn some comedy wisdom because it's definitely somethingthat I'm lacking in. And uh, Daniel is a fair bit funnier than me, but no one'sever gonna call Daniel a hilarious either necessarily. So I think we bothbenefited from this.

That one was also for Hillary. so thank you for coming on.We really appreciate your time to everybody listening. Thank you guys. Pleasego check out Kenny's podcast. Go check out all the cool stuff he's doing. Playsome Frisbee with him, help him in his vendetta against Daniel, whatever youcan do to support Kenny, we would like you to do it.

Kenny: [00:35:46]Yeah, The podcast is up super late. You can also find me on Instagram at KennyLee two 70 a and you can also join my cause in my robbery against Daniel atKenny versus

Andrew: [00:35:56]Thank you guys. We really appreciate it. And we look forward to connecting witheverybody soon.